Most people can see *constructive* criticism for what it is.
Given I praised 5 of the 8 matches, I don't get how anyone would conclude that this was the worst show ever reading my report. Unless they just read the last paragraph, which I suspect is all you did.
"Little or no detail" would be saying UFC is going to suck twice without even a single word or line explanation as to why. I assume you just don't watch UFC, which is a pretty lame reason to conclude an individual show is going to suck.
And of course, given you've misrepresented just about everything I said, it's worth pointing out I didn't say fans are "not willing to say something stinks." I said they "aren't as willing" as East Coast fans, and I think that's a pretty hard proposition to argue with.
Overall, I think that's a positive, given the flip side of the equation I already discussed. But I don't see why apologists need to defend sub-par efforts. The SoCal Uncensored board seemed as down on this show as they have been any PWG show in a while, and rightfully so.
I'm not exactly Mr. Negative when it comes to PWG. But god damn, what is the point of writing an evaluation of a wrestling show if you aren't going to judge it based on the merits of the show relative to other shows put on by the same promotion?
I felt my report was more than fair, and I have no obligation to provide friendly window dressing to sugar coat a mediocre effort from a great promotion.
bford24 wrote:Who cares that Todd sucks at reporting the truth about the show? I rather listen to people complain about the price going up to 20.
A three-year-old sees where it's going. What I brought up was why in the hell Tornado would agree to a match where Sky is so obviously setting him up. It makes Tornado, the face, look like an idiot.
Oh yeah, I'm sure you watch a lot of UFC. After all, UFC has produced some awful shows. Like take 2005, where UFC shows got a collective 1,604 thumbs up, 110 thumbs down and 187 thumbs in the middle from Observer readers. That's some awful programming right there. And not only that, it's laughable to suggest a UFC show might be good.
No, it's not. I said the fans here aren't as willing to say something stinks. You said that I said they won't say something stinks, and then explained that sometimes they do.
And then you once again said that nobody is unwilling to speak their minds, when I never said that. Your description of the difference between east coast fans and SoCal fans is completely in agreement with my assessment.
Stop putting words in my mouth!
This "real opinions" distinction is BS. There was no criticism from you of people just saying "kickass show." It was only when the criticism came in that all of a sudden had to be justified.
It's a total double standard over the amount of time and effort people need to spend deconstructing an indy show. If you praise it, that's fine. But if heaven forbid you criticize, you better come with a treatise backing your opinion. Because lord knows there are tons of people out there providing pages of analysis over live independent shows that aren't available on tape.
I don't go to every PWG show with a pad and pen to take notes. I don't go to them as a reporter. I go to them as a 2L taking a break from my busy schedule, and to have fun. The reports I write up are just passing along the information on the show to Dave, because I've been lobbying him for more PWG coverage for over a year now. Sometimes he runs them, sometimes he doesn't. Mainly I'm just pointing out the shows are out there, and are good. And believe me, that type of publicity helps PWG. I get e-mails from people asking about what PWG DVDs to order all the time, and getting PWG mentioned when you mention ROH has been a big goal of mine. But you can't have it both ways, accepting "that was a great match," and rejecting "that was a disappointment."
You're also mixing up two issues. Before you were reprimanding me for not being constructive, which is an issue of bias, and just being negative for the sake of being negative. Now what you're arguing isn't an issue of constructive criticism. It's an issue of depth of analysis.
You're asking from me something completely different than what I'm doing, and I'm sorry, it's a lot more fun watching a live show than writing down move for move. The type of report you're asking for just isn't done for many indy shows. You're talking about tape reviews, but that's a completely different animal. You can go back and forth, and you have time to analyze and go back. To compare that to live indy reports is absurd. If you want detailed blow-by-blow accounts of PWG live events, do it yourself.
Those are completely different reports than what I did this weekend, because there my priority was writing up a report. Here my priority was watching a show, and I don't have to apologize for that. You're comparing apples and oranges. I'm capable of doing a much more detailed analysis, but I would rather just sit back and enjoy the show.
JayJay wrote:FYI (and for anyone who didn't catch it), Phoenix Star was legitimately knocked out following Dragon's curb stomp. The finish was rushed (and the match was to go a lot longer than it did) due to that fact, leading to the botched finish as all participants were struggling to get somewhere with the match and not kill whatever they had going.
Props to Zokre and Dragon for improvising on the fly in a bad situation. I'd like to see anyone do any better.
I'd be more worried about what appeared to be a bad bump during the Joey/Bosh match with the powerbomb into the side of the ring.
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